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The large changes, dropping lots of accepted information and adding a lot of propaganda need to be discussed on the talk page. Most of this article is not acceptable as is at the moment. The point of this article should not be as a propaganda piece for Jews for Jesus, and you can not leave out criticisms. Many of the changes are to things that have been discussed over many years to come to a consensus. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Laella (talk • contribs) 18:41, 4 May 2020 (UTC)
I agree, this should be a protected page. Too much promotional and biased editing. Yoleaux (talk) 20:45, 4 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Scanning through the page, I was surprised at the bias against this organization. I know it is a controversial topic, but this clearly violates Wikipedia’s neutrality standards. There should be a balance of information. Because of that, I’ve added a couple relevant quotes to the article to help restore some of that balance. I have also removed/edited a couple statements that have logical fallacies, which I will explain in detail below:
Removing The Evangelical Lutheran Church in America from the list of those criticizing evangelism of Jews: The referenced doctrine doesn’t actually say the church criticizes Jewish evangelism. It only says to be aware that most Jews believe Messianic Jews and Jews for Jesus have “forsaken Judaism, and consider efforts to maintain otherwise to be deceptive,” which is not them criticizing Jewish evangelism. I did some further research and couldn’t find any other statement from them criticizing the evangelism of Jews.
Removing Rabbi Irving Greenberg’s quote on Jews for Jesus and supersessionism: The quote of Rabbi Irving Greenberg accusing Jews for Jesus of teaching Christian supersessionism contains major factual errors. In reality, Messianic Judaism has publicly denounced the idea of supersessionism, and Jews for Jesus has as well. I found several sources that confirm this, which I can list if need be. Since his statement mostly contains false information, it should be removed.
If anyone disagrees with any of the changes I made, before undoing my changes, please respond to me on the talk page and let’s discuss this. I intend to be very responsive on this page. — Preceding unsigned comment added by AEditing3 (talk • contribs) 01:39, 8 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
I agree that this article suffers from severe bias against Jews for Jesus. The introduction to the article is pretty much a hit piece on the organization. There are two fundamental problems with the introduction to the article: (1) It completely ignores the meaning of Jew as an ethnicity, not a religion, and (2) It ignores the fact that all the original followers of Jesus were ethnically Jews and also considered themselves to be of the Jewish faith. They did not see themselves as having abandoned Judaism by following Jesus. First century Judaism was a very diverse faith, with the Pharisees, Sadducees, Essenes, and the followers of the Jesus movement. In this context, the followers of Jesus were not any more out of line with Judaism than the Essenes. It was not until the destruction of the temple in 70 AD that the Sadducees and Essenes disappeared, and the majority of followers of Jesus came to think of themselves as Christians, separate from Judaism. Pharisaic Judaism was the only surviving Judaism after the destruction of the temple, and it evolved into the Rabbinic Judaism that we know today. Westwind273 (talk) 05:34, 23 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Intercalate I removed the information about the Better Business Bureau because it included a large chunk of what is a standard BBB message when a charity does not interact with it. A lot of churches do not seek BBB approval. They might use a different group like Candid (organization) (aka GuideStar) or Charity Navigator. Jews for Jesus might well be problematic as far as finances; however, Wikipedia needs a reliable source stating this. Note the BBB also states in a section not quoted: "It[this report] is not intended to recommend or deprecate". Is there a reason you want to include this in the entry? Erp (talk) 04:30, 28 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
A lot of the statements in this article directly contradict the Wikipedia article on the Ebionites. After all, if it is impossible to be a Jew who believes in the divinity of Jesus, then who were the Ebionites? Weren't they exactly that? This article reeks of Jew vs Christian bigotry, similar to what caused the cancellation of the popular TV show "Bridget Loves Bernie" in the 1970's. This bigotry has a long history in the United States, and it is disappointing to see it continued in this article. Westwind273 (talk) 14:47, 25 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
